Tuesday, May 17, 2005

Arguing Logic (or is it Logically Arguing?)

Well now. One of the blog sites that i like to visit referred me to this site. It's called
Thirty - Eight Ways to Win an Argument
from Schopenhauer's "The Art of Controversy"

Basically it goes over a list of ways to win an argument, even when the other person is more correct than you are. Here, as an example, is the first tactic in the list:
1 Carry your opponent's proposition beyond its natural limits; exaggerate it.
The more general your opponent's statement becomes, the more objections you can find against it.
The more restricted and narrow your own propositions remain, the easier they are to defend.

As arguing logic (or is it logically arguing?) is one of my favorite things to do, especially when reading (you should see the margins to some of the books i own), i have seen so many of these steps being used by people that i could probably have come up with this list on my own... well maybe not really.
I'm big into logic, so it always really annoys me when writer's logic is, well, more than a little fuzzy. It's always so much fun when i read something that i don't agree with and i break down and annihilate their logic. Sometimes i have so many "but...", "except that...", "no, not really because...", and other arguments that i have to practically yell at myself to stop or i will never finish what i'm reading.
I don't just do this with ideas, concepts, and writers that i don't agree with. Oftentimes when reading things that interest me and that i agree with, but that the author's arguments lack cohesiveness, i will sit there and argue their logic to make it more cohesive. Although, i have also been known to actually be arguing something that i don't agree with, just to get other people thinking. Just ask the Sunday School teacher at the church that i go to.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying that i agree with everything this guy says, it's just funny how often i see people use these and other underhanded tactics to defend their ideas, not necessarily because their logic or ideas are incorrect, but more because they either don't realize what they're doing, or because they are trying to make a point above and beyond what is needed or true (sorry my logic may be a little fuzzy here as i am really tired).

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